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The organic product also has no flavor and will begin to grow mildew within minutes of the package being opened.
Tim R on June 4th, 2010 11:40 amChuck and Beans cartoonist, Brian, makes a two panel cartoon where the only difference between the panels is the colour of the product referenced in the strip. “Evil Bastard”.
Well… Perhaps Bastard is a bit strong. Oh, I guess Evil is a bit over the top too. Lazy Cartoonist maybe? Enterprising Squiggler
Oh… whatever.
Heather R on June 4th, 2010 12:49 pmLOL Tim R……its 2 different products…. “this product” and “this product on the other hand”…
brian on June 4th, 2010 2:10 pmHey Tim,
Chuck and Beans cartoonist, Brian, here.
As for being lazy, etc? Guilty on all counts.
But by repeating the panels & punchlines what I was trying to do was…oh, never mind. This one’s for Heather R, I guess.
mr.bryce on June 4th, 2010 5:45 pmrepetition humor vs typical eco-activism paranoia. come on tim lets go get our pills together lol
Bob on June 5th, 2010 2:48 pmHey Brian, I just though I’d let you know that your picture, which I posted on Funnjunk, made it to the front page. (which is difficult to accomplish)
Here’s a link if you wish to see it http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/490610/That+s+too+bad/
brian on June 5th, 2010 3:38 pmThat’s too cool, Bob! Thanks so much for posting it!
binaryspiral on June 6th, 2010 3:13 pm-brian
And it made Digg… congrats. And they say lazy gets you nowhere.
Mark Roberge on June 6th, 2010 3:38 pmI recently switched to eating more organic foods. The taste difference is remarkable.
booboo on June 6th, 2010 3:45 pmIn Calgary, I found a grocer that delivers organic foods to my house. They leave it on my doorstep in a Rubbermaid container. The next week I leave the empty container on my doorstep and they leave a new one with my weeks order. Take a look at spud.ca.
there should be a third box that says “yea..they’re both sold by the same company”
Chrissy on June 6th, 2010 3:54 pmActually, most organic products are more highly priced because of the strenuous system placed on actually being allowed to label something organic. For example, a farmer has to be completely documented organic for three years before they can apply to sell as certified organic. This means that for 3 years a farmer has to try and meet the standards of the un-organic market without the luxury of all the chemicals and such they use. Organic products are more expensive literally because it is wildly more expensive and laborious to produce them.
Me on June 6th, 2010 4:24 pmI do agree that there are a lot of companies taking advantage of the consumer during the organic movement, this is true.
Also though,organic products are more expensive mostly due to heavily unequal distribution of government subsidies for food production. They get virtually no support. That is why a salad can cost more than a burger. Less chemicals also means a lower crop yield – which can also lead to a more expensive price tag.
I’m a giant loser and wanted to say that
TaterGuy on June 6th, 2010 4:24 pmFYI The biggest factor in the price difference between organic and non-organic is that Organic is typically more labor intensive and yields are lower/ infrastructure costs (greenhouses have to be used for pest protection) are higher.
Cheers!
gaia on June 6th, 2010 4:55 pmGrow your own! Much cheaper and safer.
Faysal on June 6th, 2010 5:27 pmNon-Organic foods are not poison. They also keep hundreds of millions of people alive in areas where organic agriculture could not strive. Buying organic only foods is a way to just flaunt your money and pretend to be healthy while ragging on the potential and as of yet (think decades people) unwitnessed side effects non-organic foods.
The ones that are the evil bastards aren’t the ones charging you a high price for organic foods, being that it takes more work it makes sense.
The evil bastards are the one that got you to believe that disease resistant plants are somehow bad for you.
Eddie p on June 6th, 2010 5:27 pmActually, it’s not the markup. Less pest control means more loss, as well as less subsidy for smaller organic farms
Balu on June 6th, 2010 5:34 pmLairbo … If a food does not go bad within a day or two after opening it, imagine the chemicals that must have been added on/into it to make it so. Do you really want to eat such powerful chemicals?
Amazing post, great job Brian
Zachariah Granville on June 6th, 2010 6:51 pmIs organic really that much better? I doubt it.
Logan Todd on June 6th, 2010 7:17 pmFaysel said it all. I would go as far as to say FACT.
That is all.
N.D.S on June 6th, 2010 7:28 pmJust because something is organic does not mean that they do not use chemicals. They just use natural chemicals, like arsenic. Non-organic foods use synthetic pesticides that do the job of natural chemicals more efficiently. Just because something is organic does not mean that it is either better for you or for the environment. In most cases, it is not. If you really want to be more environmentally conscientious, buy local foods.
viralviralvideos.com on June 6th, 2010 8:55 pmWhat a sad stupid world we live in. i eat regular btw.
sickcheapo on June 6th, 2010 9:49 pmsupport your local farmers!!!!!!!!!!
bill on June 6th, 2010 10:12 pmhomegrown is the winner
Those Evil Bastards! « Dosis Necesaria on June 6th, 2010 10:19 pm[...] Vía [...]
Norm Hill on June 6th, 2010 10:25 pmAs many have said, organic’s markup is more because of the higher amount of labor and lower yield involved. Not to mention the demand for organic is increasing.
Whatev on June 6th, 2010 10:32 pmSpending extra money won’t kill me, taking in the toxics might. I’ll happily pay extra to sleep at night knowing I’m not putting some cancer causing crap in my body.
organic farmer on June 6th, 2010 10:48 pmI would just like to say as a organic farmer the reason for the higher prices is due to the lack of yield that a organic crop produces. Basically you cant use any fertilizer and if you do it has be natural (ie shit) which contains weed seeds digested by the animals, these weeds pull nutrients from the soil as they grow. Now you cant spray and chemical to kill the weeds so your crop suffers. Yields from say a organic wheat field are usually half that of a conventional wheat field. Organic farming is also more labor intensive, most people dont work for free… hope that sheds some light as to why organic products are more expensive.
Also to N.D.S… as a certified organic farm operation I am not allowed to use ANY type of chemical on the product I grow. Hell im not even allowed to have any chemical in my yard.
slappy on June 6th, 2010 11:02 pmOrganic makes for thinner humans.
publicliabilityinsurancequote.com.au on June 6th, 2010 11:03 pmGreat point, but which crime is worse?
andi on June 6th, 2010 11:18 pmin essence,that organic is a better than non-organic and it has been proven.
oway on June 7th, 2010 12:06 amNice post, but you really cant go wrong when you buy certified organic products. The manufacturers have to do a lot to comply with the certification bodies.
matt on June 7th, 2010 12:13 amI support growing your own! As for organic food Go watch Penn and Tellers bullsh*t on it, and learn something before you post bs on it being dangerous or better tasting.
matt on June 7th, 2010 12:13 amsorry less dangerous^
tobie on June 7th, 2010 12:37 amOrganic fruit and veg spoil quicker. Therefore your grocer has to get less stock delivered more often. This means more trips for the truck, burning more gas. I’m no scientist but if someone could do the math on this I’m sure there’s something to it.
a on June 7th, 2010 1:34 amhttp://digg.com/comics_animation/Non_Organic_VS_Organic_Comic
prepare for lots of extra traffic
Webcomic for Catherine on June 7th, 2010 4:39 amSo true.
marylamb on June 7th, 2010 5:30 ami’m PRO-organic, just that its hard to produce on your own but it’s rewarding in terms of the health benefits… go go organic
Non-Organic VS Organic - [Comic] - monstermike's posterous on June 7th, 2010 6:38 am[...] All of them bastards!Source:http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=17653 [...]
Arthur on June 7th, 2010 6:59 amI ROFL’d.
Great comic.
On a side note: to those who made the comments section a forum for the debate over organic/non-organic… The whole point of the comic is that neither standard is reasonable. Besides, too little is known about the possible health benefits or side-effects of either way of life.
As an example, we still don’t know for sure whether the incidence of disease is higher in those who eat organic or non-organic foods over the course of a lifetime.
And before you come in with an assumed answer, remember that one of the things pesticides help control for are pest-born diseases.
On the other hand, while all the chemicals used in farming and food-production must pass stringent protocols before being used commercially, we aren’t capable of using a crystal ball to gaze into the future and find the next DDT before it finds us.
sooo…..
Basically, we’re all screwed. Might as well LOL about it and not get all religious about a couple leaves of cabbage.
cubicz on June 7th, 2010 7:16 amIt also forgot to mention the organic food is grown with manure
rEVOLution on June 7th, 2010 8:07 amGMO foods are designed to slowly kill you. 90% percent of the world is going to be depopulated; the bilderberger group has already planned it. It has been written on The Georgia Guidestones.
kristy on June 7th, 2010 8:33 am200 years ago everything was organic, what was the life span of the average worker.
Longer and better life through chemicals. LOL
Ritakites on June 7th, 2010 9:07 amthe word “poison” itself will make them shift to organic at any cost
jesse on June 7th, 2010 9:51 amor how about the fact that organic food (at least in the US) is not required to be 100% organic. There are grades of organic and to qualify as organic, the food must only be a certain percent organic (unless we’re talking raw produce). ITS A SCAM!
Justin on June 7th, 2010 10:42 am@Brian – The way you handled that off the wall criticism is admirable.
The message is clear and the similarity of the panels drives it home.
Matthew Fedak on June 7th, 2010 10:57 amI don’t get it, when she says “those evil…” the second time is she referring to the organic product’s company or the non-organic product’s company still? If it is the non-organic product’s company then maybe she won’t mind paying the mark up on the organic product? Did no one else wonder that?
Love on June 7th, 2010 11:14 amDo a search on Codex Alimentarius.
brian on June 7th, 2010 1:51 pmTo the good folks from Digg and elsewhere who’ve dropped by (and WOW there’s been a bunch over the last couple days)- thanks so much for reading & commenting.
Just to clarify- (as if anyone cares) the genesis of this joke all began with a simple, really expensive bottle of sunblock. I stumbled across a website recently that rated all the sunblocks on the market. I checked the one that me, my wife and toddler were using and found out it was chock full of evil badness (stop me if I get too technical).
So we go out and pick up one of the recommended tubes of sunblock, made with all-natural goodness and unicorn kisses, or so I presume, based on the price.
Do I want to poison my kid? No (at least most days). Do I want to take out a second mortgage for unicorn-kissed sunblock? Notsomuch, either.
So between that and a handful of WTF sticker-shock moments at Whole Foods (justifiable or otherwise) and you can see where this came from.
As for those confused or aesthetically upset by my repetition of the drawings? My deepest apologies. I’ll try harder next time.
-brian
Poore Richard on June 7th, 2010 4:12 pmWait…You were joking?
Because I take great offense to any and all comments regarding the various foods I consume and can find no humor in anything related to said foods as I simply must take these things seriously so as to ensure that others realize their inherit importance.
Also, why are the characters depicted as obese. This must be a generalized commentary on the increasingly gluttonous over-consumption America faces.
Again, were it not for my complete lack of humor, I would find this cartoon funny. However I simply cannot seem to lose my vainglorious self-serving postulations.
Poore Richard on June 7th, 2010 4:18 pmActually, I thought the repeated cells were great, in that it implied the similarities. Kind of thought that was the joke…
I have seen many-a-great cartoonists use this, and it is tried, true and above all, funny.
brian on June 7th, 2010 4:48 pmWell, thanks, Poore Richard and everyone else who has chimed in with kind words.
As for those who didn’t like the repeated panel thing? Well if you didn’t like that one, you’re gonna hate these:
http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=574
http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=9456
http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=187
To be honest this latest cartoon is just the most recent in a series of repeated panel gags. It’s a real
Tom on June 7th, 2010 11:37 pmcrutchtime saver for the busy cartoonist on the go.Organic produce is more prone to have natural toxins. If there is no pesticides used, insects will attack the crops. The plants will then naturally produce toxins to fight off the bugs…then we eat those toxins.
Filip Rabuzin on June 8th, 2010 6:47 amIt’s funny how quickly people jumped to the conclusion that the “product” was edible and perishable. Thanks for the explanation Brian, puts the cartoon in its correct perspective. As for the repeat panels, they work great.
mgaffn1 on June 8th, 2010 1:45 pmDoes Fruit Loops count as organic food? I like Fruit Loops. It’s fruity-delicious AND non-perishable.
Jeffrey Johnson on June 8th, 2010 8:47 pmWell, I never get on a shoebox and assert that my way is the only way in life, and a high quality of health is not necessarily a vital goal for every human. For some, there are more pressing and immediate issues at hand and they simply do not have the luxury to worry about their long-term health, or may just plain not care. Hence, while I recommend the consumption of organically grown fresh fruits and vegetables for its health benefits (and in my opinion, superior taste), I’m not going to go around berating others that decide not to foot the extra cost associated with it.
However, it is not with paranoia that I choose to eat organic produce. I used published scientific material to make my decision regarding this, not some vague general idea or word of mouth. Approximately half of all the different pesticides and synthetic chemicals used to grow non-organic produce are proven carcinogens. That these carcinogenic chemicals end up on and in non-organic produce is also proven. Those two points are not up for debate, excepting you source the scientific articles that back up your claim. I have also seen studies that show that the farmers interact with these pesticides on the farm (including spreading the pesticides and harvesting the produce) have an increased risk for cancer (300% over the control group).
Here’s an article from UC Berkeley about the toxicology of pesticides. http://potency.berkeley.edu/text/handbook.pesticide.toxicology.pdf
Personally, I try to avoid toxins and especially carcinogens wherever and whenever I can. Not just in my food. I haven’t been 100% successful (which may be possible living in a modern city), but I’m at least satisfied for now. At the moment, it’s not worth the health benefits for me to move to a completely rural area.
krystal on June 8th, 2010 9:37 pmdo people LOOk for things to be offended by? geez.
also, lecturing about WHY it costs more really doesn’t make a difference. organic stuff is still expensive.
glitchs brew on June 8th, 2010 11:12 pmI work at an organic super market and have been very well educated through both work and personal research. the lack of knowledge in these comments amuses as well as scares the shit out of me. if you care, find out the truth. if you don’t, good luck.
Will on June 9th, 2010 9:00 amLol just google whats in natural pesticides and prepare to vomit. Big Mac Please!
Cole on June 9th, 2010 5:31 pmas a non-organic farmer, i understand the reason there is such a markup. it is certainly not cheap to farm organically. the evil obviously lies somewhere between the farms where they grow the product and the stores where they sell the product. Distribution companies perhaps?
p.s.
repetition is often used in humor. to criticize this cartoon because of its repeated panel is ridiculous! great job brian, funny stuff.
Norman on June 9th, 2010 6:50 pmThank you, Brian. I’m sick of everyone being so blind to the organic fallacy. Profiteering, extortion, blackmail…at its worst. At least as bad as the “bastards” who sell the chemically poisoned stuff. Possibly worse.
I worked for a decade in the produce industry including a year at PCC (puget consumers co-op) in Seattle. The “natural” food stores are just as sleazy as the Albertsons, Kroegers… when it comes to taking your money. They just do it by trying to scare you into buying organic and natural.
I’m all for organics, sustainable farming, clean and healthy foods… But stop trying to rip me off! I will NEVER pay exorbitant prices for organics. Never.
The ONLY way to get food companies to listen is with your dollar. Stop rewarding Whole Foods and all the other rip-off organics dealers.
Muchdung on June 10th, 2010 6:42 amWhelp, had this little self fight last night while shoppin’ at an outta town Waymans. Moral of the story? I should have gone over to the next door Aldi.
Thumper_Pumpkin on June 10th, 2010 3:52 pmUnderstanding now that the poduct was not edible but just “better” through the organic ingredients it was made all from….. yes prices are ridiculous but at times very worth it. Many people must eat organically because of allergies that are related to dye, chemicals and other substanances found in regular store bought. Same thought goes for non edible organic products. I amin fact allergic to some perfumes found in regular lotions and haf to use a goat’s milk blend other wise my eczemawill spiralout of contrl. Also, eating organically doesn’t gaurantee a hot skinny body it’s the types of food one eats and amout of excercise performed….. all organic food does is provide a safety net balloon way of thinking hey i’m not going to die from cancer because i don’t eat the chemicals. WRONG! Cancer is actually found to usually be genetic and possibly caused more through stress of the body more than anything (that’s my guess). Anyway good cartoon. I liked the rabbit,
brian on June 10th, 2010 4:33 pmI’m a fiend for rabbits! Might I ask why you chose him, is there a significant reasonor do you justlike rabbits too?
Hey Thumper,
Thanks for your comment (thanks everyone, really, the response this cartoon has gotten has been ridiculous).
As to why is Chuck a rabbit? Hard to say. They originated about 2 1/2 years ago as nameless little guys I used in a gag cartoon. Out of laziness I started using them again and again for other cartoons. After a while people started asking what their names were, so begrudgingly I named them Chuck and Beans, if only so I’d have an answer when people asked.
Now, 80 cartoons later, these formerly anonymous characters have become near and dear to me.
Shorter answer? Rabbits are fun to draw.
Ralinos on June 11th, 2010 6:03 pmWhile I could care less about the organic/inorganic debate, reading these comments on a simple cartoon, I have come to the conclusion that the general public is incapable of effectively coming to ANY conclusions. Most discussions are just arguments ( this one for instance is incomparable toxicity vs. price). My point is:
before you rule out something because science says it is dangerous.
keep in mind the most dangerous substance on earth is
OXYGEN
It is responsible for aging & rust
Fire can’t burn w/o oxygen( BTW= Magnesium creates oxygen while burning, hence it can’t be extinguished)
and yet we can’t LIVE w/o it
Ya on June 16th, 2010 10:57 pmAbove me is the most idiotic thing I have read today.
Grammy J on June 17th, 2010 7:58 amWho knew that the simplicity of this cool cartoon could generate so many comments!!
Great work!!
Joe on June 17th, 2010 8:26 pmHey, I am very against Non-Organic foods. Who cares if it feeds more people, you’re feeding them toxic food! It changes our DNA. You are what you eat and if you eat non-organic….. you ARE non-organic.
Maybe if people grew their own, or were more generous, or maybe didn’t eat fat foods.
Great comic by the way
Justfew on June 18th, 2010 4:34 amI hope in the future most people aren’t deformed mutants.
Bunnies…very good post
Shaolin_sKunk on June 19th, 2010 3:52 am@ Joe: Go to a starving family in Africa and say that to their faces.
BTW there’s a big difference between changing the plants genetics in order to make it yield more or make it more hardy and spraying it down with chemicals. If you’re against the “toxins” (vaguest scare word ever, btw) that’s fine but I am made to understand that organic food cannot be genetically modified and speaking out against something that we’ve been doing since the beginning of agriculture (look up what bananas used to be like) that could help feed literally millions of starving families around the world is just plain insulting, self-righteous and myopic.
How you choose to spend your money is your business but don’t you dare act like your doing dying families a favor by denying them a fundamental necessity of life.
jnb on June 20th, 2010 11:10 amTo the folks who imply (or want me to infer) that organic = natural = safe = better. Please remember that heroin, tobacco, cocaine, marijuana, and ethanol (in no particular order) are also organic and natural. I do not, however, find them safe or better than other products.
tata for now.
jnb on June 20th, 2010 11:10 amBTW, funny cartoon (which I believe was the POINT).
Brooke on June 21st, 2010 1:23 amSince when does organic food have less flavor? That’s absurd. You’ve just become accustomed to the food that, in return, is polluting our earth and dramatically decreasing biodiversity.
saleem on June 25th, 2010 4:13 amjan is my lobe
Twig on June 27th, 2010 8:37 pmBy this point, I doubt my comment is high enough to be read at all, but I would like to get my say on this. I work on an organic herb farm, owned by my aunt. She does not sell through supermarkets or the such, but only deals with local restaurateurs and farmers markets. It’s true that some of what she sells is more expensive than what you would find commercially grown with chemicals, but she also barely pulls a profit due to the time, effort, and lower crop yields from her chosen methods. To be completely honest, I’m not completely on the bandwagon of non-organic toxins will kill you slowly, but it’s 100% true that the toxins used (specifically pesticides and herbicides) have a negative effect on the immediate surrounding environment, and people should take this into account when they buy. The best solution to the whole ordeal is to find local farmers, you’d be surprised what you can find in your area, and they don’t use scare tactics and massive overpricing to sell their products. Great comic too
Mr Surbade on June 28th, 2010 4:29 amI think you should revise your point of view :
People think that organic products are too expensive compared to non-organic.
But the comparison is wrong, non-organic is not the reference, organic is.
So in a strict sense, non-organic products is way too cheap compared to organic.
sir jorge on August 1st, 2010 11:34 pmit’s too bad all those studies about organics not being any better than non organics keep coming up
Jenny Cruger on August 4th, 2010 7:46 am“I think you should revise your point of view :
People think that organic products are too expensive compared to non-organic.
But the comparison is wrong, non-organic is not the reference, organic is.
So in a strict sense, non-organic products is way too cheap compared to organic.”
Exactly!!! The price have food has not gone up at all in years and years like everything else and like it should be.So people think buying meat for $1.99/lb is normal. IT’S NOT! Organic meat for $7 is not expensive….it’s what we SHOULD be paying and the kind of meat we should be eating. I’d go without meat and dairy before I’d eat non organic (or local grass fed, etc.)
Ellie on August 6th, 2010 6:19 pmSame panel humor never gets old. As classic as coke ;D
*copy argument against organic* When it comes right down to it, there are more factors to quality of life; I don’t think it makes much sense to worry about the organic over non-organic when we still have problems with feeding everyone. Even if you’re eating organic food… you’re still kicking the “environment” in the face.
How? Those products have to be shipped, sometimes from very far away = huuuuge carbon footprint. Ah, lovely human selfishness.
I’ve had organic, where I’ve bought it from has been cheaper than usual, but only because it’s at a coop. I’m sorry, I’d rather make a whole pie with 3 apples rather 7.
And pie made with or without organic apples still isn’t the best thing for you. As long as you’re eating right and avoiding processed food with lots of additives your health will be better. <—- something there's actually been sufficient time to research ;D
ANYWAY, glad I stumbled on this cartoon. Bunnies ftw! <3
Toby on August 13th, 2010 12:35 pmPeople always forget that GM foods have prevented starvation in a lot of countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug