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The organic product also has no flavor and will begin to grow mildew within minutes of the package being opened.
Chuck and Beans cartoonist, Brian, makes a two panel cartoon where the only difference between the panels is the colour of the product referenced in the strip. “Evil Bastard”.
Well… Perhaps Bastard is a bit strong. Oh, I guess Evil is a bit over the top too. Lazy Cartoonist maybe? Enterprising Squiggler
LOL Tim R……its 2 different products…. “this product” and “this product on the other hand”…
Chuck and Beans cartoonist, Brian, here.
As for being lazy, etc? Guilty on all counts.
But by repeating the panels & punchlines what I was trying to do was…oh, never mind. This one’s for Heather R, I guess. ;)
repetition humor vs typical eco-activism paranoia. come on tim lets go get our pills together lol
Hey Brian, I just though I’d let you know that your picture, which I posted on Funnjunk, made it to the front page. (which is difficult to accomplish)
Here’s a link if you wish to see it http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/490610/That+s+too+bad/
That’s too cool, Bob! Thanks so much for posting it!
And it made Digg… congrats. And they say lazy gets you nowhere. :P
I recently switched to eating more organic foods. The taste difference is remarkable.
In Calgary, I found a grocer that delivers organic foods to my house. They leave it on my doorstep in a Rubbermaid container. The next week I leave the empty container on my doorstep and they leave a new one with my weeks order. Take a look at spud.ca.
there should be a third box that says “yea..they’re both sold by the same company”
Actually, most organic products are more highly priced because of the strenuous system placed on actually being allowed to label something organic. For example, a farmer has to be completely documented organic for three years before they can apply to sell as certified organic. This means that for 3 years a farmer has to try and meet the standards of the un-organic market without the luxury of all the chemicals and such they use. Organic products are more expensive literally because it is wildly more expensive and laborious to produce them.
I do agree that there are a lot of companies taking advantage of the consumer during the organic movement, this is true.
Also though,organic products are more expensive mostly due to heavily unequal distribution of government subsidies for food production. They get virtually no support. That is why a salad can cost more than a burger. Less chemicals also means a lower crop yield – which can also lead to a more expensive price tag.
I’m a giant loser and wanted to say that
FYI The biggest factor in the price difference between organic and non-organic is that Organic is typically more labor intensive and yields are lower/ infrastructure costs (greenhouses have to be used for pest protection) are higher.
Grow your own! Much cheaper and safer.
Non-Organic foods are not poison. They also keep hundreds of millions of people alive in areas where organic agriculture could not strive. Buying organic only foods is a way to just flaunt your money and pretend to be healthy while ragging on the potential and as of yet (think decades people) unwitnessed side effects non-organic foods.
The ones that are the evil bastards aren’t the ones charging you a high price for organic foods, being that it takes more work it makes sense.
The evil bastards are the one that got you to believe that disease resistant plants are somehow bad for you.
Actually, it’s not the markup. Less pest control means more loss, as well as less subsidy for smaller organic farms
Lairbo … If a food does not go bad within a day or two after opening it, imagine the chemicals that must have been added on/into it to make it so. Do you really want to eat such powerful chemicals?
Amazing post, great job Brian
Is organic really that much better? I doubt it.
Faysel said it all. I would go as far as to say FACT.
That is all.
Just because something is organic does not mean that they do not use chemicals. They just use natural chemicals, like arsenic. Non-organic foods use synthetic pesticides that do the job of natural chemicals more efficiently. Just because something is organic does not mean that it is either better for you or for the environment. In most cases, it is not. If you really want to be more environmentally conscientious, buy local foods.
What a sad stupid world we live in. i eat regular btw.
support your local farmers!!!!!!!!!!
homegrown is the winner
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As many have said, organic’s markup is more because of the higher amount of labor and lower yield involved. Not to mention the demand for organic is increasing.
Spending extra money won’t kill me, taking in the toxics might. I’ll happily pay extra to sleep at night knowing I’m not putting some cancer causing crap in my body.
I would just like to say as a organic farmer the reason for the higher prices is due to the lack of yield that a organic crop produces. Basically you cant use any fertilizer and if you do it has be natural (ie shit) which contains weed seeds digested by the animals, these weeds pull nutrients from the soil as they grow. Now you cant spray and chemical to kill the weeds so your crop suffers. Yields from say a organic wheat field are usually half that of a conventional wheat field. Organic farming is also more labor intensive, most people dont work for free… hope that sheds some light as to why organic products are more expensive.
Also to N.D.S… as a certified organic farm operation I am not allowed to use ANY type of chemical on the product I grow. Hell im not even allowed to have any chemical in my yard.
Organic makes for thinner humans.
Great point, but which crime is worse?
in essence,that organic is a better than non-organic and it has been proven.
Nice post, but you really cant go wrong when you buy certified organic products. The manufacturers have to do a lot to comply with the certification bodies.
I support growing your own! As for organic food Go watch Penn and Tellers bullsh*t on it, and learn something before you post bs on it being dangerous or better tasting.
sorry less dangerous^
Organic fruit and veg spoil quicker. Therefore your grocer has to get less stock delivered more often. This means more trips for the truck, burning more gas. I’m no scientist but if someone could do the math on this I’m sure there’s something to it.
prepare for lots of extra traffic :)
i’m PRO-organic, just that its hard to produce on your own but it’s rewarding in terms of the health benefits… go go organic
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On a side note: to those who made the comments section a forum for the debate over organic/non-organic… The whole point of the comic is that neither standard is reasonable. Besides, too little is known about the possible health benefits or side-effects of either way of life.
As an example, we still don’t know for sure whether the incidence of disease is higher in those who eat organic or non-organic foods over the course of a lifetime.
And before you come in with an assumed answer, remember that one of the things pesticides help control for are pest-born diseases.
On the other hand, while all the chemicals used in farming and food-production must pass stringent protocols before being used commercially, we aren’t capable of using a crystal ball to gaze into the future and find the next DDT before it finds us.
Basically, we’re all screwed. Might as well LOL about it and not get all religious about a couple leaves of cabbage.
It also forgot to mention the organic food is grown with manure
GMO foods are designed to slowly kill you. 90% percent of the world is going to be depopulated; the bilderberger group has already planned it. It has been written on The Georgia Guidestones.
200 years ago everything was organic, what was the life span of the average worker.
Longer and better life through chemicals. LOL
the word “poison” itself will make them shift to organic at any cost
or how about the fact that organic food (at least in the US) is not required to be 100% organic. There are grades of organic and to qualify as organic, the food must only be a certain percent organic (unless we’re talking raw produce). ITS A SCAM!
@Brian – The way you handled that off the wall criticism is admirable.
The message is clear and the similarity of the panels drives it home.
I don’t get it, when she says “those evil…” the second time is she referring to the organic product’s company or the non-organic product’s company still? If it is the non-organic product’s company then maybe she won’t mind paying the mark up on the organic product? Did no one else wonder that?
Do a search on Codex Alimentarius.
To the good folks from Digg and elsewhere who’ve dropped by (and WOW there’s been a bunch over the last couple days)- thanks so much for reading & commenting.
Just to clarify- (as if anyone cares) the genesis of this joke all began with a simple, really expensive bottle of sunblock. I stumbled across a website recently that rated all the sunblocks on the market. I checked the one that me, my wife and toddler were using and found out it was chock full of evil badness (stop me if I get too technical).
So we go out and pick up one of the recommended tubes of sunblock, made with all-natural goodness and unicorn kisses, or so I presume, based on the price.
Do I want to poison my kid? No (at least most days). Do I want to take out a second mortgage for unicorn-kissed sunblock? Notsomuch, either.
So between that and a handful of WTF sticker-shock moments at Whole Foods (justifiable or otherwise) and you can see where this came from.
As for those confused or aesthetically upset by my repetition of the drawings? My deepest apologies. I’ll try harder next time.
Wait…You were joking?
Because I take great offense to any and all comments regarding the various foods I consume and can find no humor in anything related to said foods as I simply must take these things seriously so as to ensure that others realize their inherit importance.
Also, why are the characters depicted as obese. This must be a generalized commentary on the increasingly gluttonous over-consumption America faces.
Again, were it not for my complete lack of humor, I would find this cartoon funny. However I simply cannot seem to lose my vainglorious self-serving postulations.
Actually, I thought the repeated cells were great, in that it implied the similarities. Kind of thought that was the joke…
I have seen many-a-great cartoonists use this, and it is tried, true and above all, funny.
Well, thanks, Poore Richard and everyone else who has chimed in with kind words.
As for those who didn’t like the repeated panel thing? Well if you didn’t like that one, you’re gonna hate these:
To be honest this latest cartoon is just the most recent in a series of repeated panel gags. It’s a real crutch time saver for the busy cartoonist on the go.
Organic produce is more prone to have natural toxins. If there is no pesticides used, insects will attack the crops. The plants will then naturally produce toxins to fight off the bugs…then we eat those toxins.
It’s funny how quickly people jumped to the conclusion that the “product” was edible and perishable. Thanks for the explanation Brian, puts the cartoon in its correct perspective. As for the repeat panels, they work great.
Does Fruit Loops count as organic food? I like Fruit Loops. It’s fruity-delicious AND non-perishable.
Well, I never get on a shoebox and assert that my way is the only way in life, and a high quality of health is not necessarily a vital goal for every human. For some, there are more pressing and immediate issues at hand and they simply do not have the luxury to worry about their long-term health, or may just plain not care. Hence, while I recommend the consumption of organically grown fresh fruits and vegetables for its health benefits (and in my opinion, superior taste), I’m not going to go around berating others that decide not to foot the extra cost associated with it.
However, it is not with paranoia that I choose to eat organic produce. I used published scientific material to make my decision regarding this, not some vague general idea or word of mouth. Approximately half of all the different pesticides and synthetic chemicals used to grow non-organic produce are proven carcinogens. That these carcinogenic chemicals end up on and in non-organic produce is also proven. Those two points are not up for debate, excepting you source the scientific articles that back up your claim. I have also seen studies that show that the farmers interact with these pesticides on the farm (including spreading the pesticides and harvesting the produce) have an increased risk for cancer (300% over the control group).
Here’s an article from UC Berkeley about the toxicology of pesticides. http://potency.berkeley.edu/text/handbook.pesticide.toxicology.pdf
Personally, I try to avoid toxins and especially carcinogens wherever and whenever I can. Not just in my food. I haven’t been 100% successful (which may be possible living in a modern city), but I’m at least satisfied for now. At the moment, it’s not worth the health benefits for me to move to a completely rural area.
do people LOOk for things to be offended by? geez.
also, lecturing about WHY it costs more really doesn’t make a difference. organic stuff is still expensive.
I work at an organic super market and have been very well educated through both work and personal research. the lack of knowledge in these comments amuses as well as scares the shit out of me. if you care, find out the truth. if you don’t, good luck.
Lol just google whats in natural pesticides and prepare to vomit. Big Mac Please!
as a non-organic farmer, i understand the reason there is such a markup. it is certainly not cheap to farm organically. the evil obviously lies somewhere between the farms where they grow the product and the stores where they sell the product. Distribution companies perhaps?
repetition is often used in humor. to criticize this cartoon because of its repeated panel is ridiculous! great job brian, funny stuff.
Thank you, Brian. I’m sick of everyone being so blind to the organic fallacy. Profiteering, extortion, blackmail…at its worst. At least as bad as the “bastards” who sell the chemically poisoned stuff. Possibly worse.
I worked for a decade in the produce industry including a year at PCC (puget consumers co-op) in Seattle. The “natural” food stores are just as sleazy as the Albertsons, Kroegers… when it comes to taking your money. They just do it by trying to scare you into buying organic and natural.
I’m all for organics, sustainable farming, clean and healthy foods… But stop trying to rip me off! I will NEVER pay exorbitant prices for organics. Never.
The ONLY way to get food companies to listen is with your dollar. Stop rewarding Whole Foods and all the other rip-off organics dealers.
Whelp, had this little self fight last night while shoppin’ at an outta town Waymans. Moral of the story? I should have gone over to the next door Aldi.
Understanding now that the poduct was not edible but just “better” through the organic ingredients it was made all from….. yes prices are ridiculous but at times very worth it. Many people must eat organically because of allergies that are related to dye, chemicals and other substanances found in regular store bought. Same thought goes for non edible organic products. I amin fact allergic to some perfumes found in regular lotions and haf to use a goat’s milk blend other wise my eczemawill spiralout of contrl. Also, eating organically doesn’t gaurantee a hot skinny body it’s the types of food one eats and amout of excercise performed….. all organic food does is provide a safety net balloon way of thinking hey i’m not going to die from cancer because i don’t eat the chemicals. WRONG! Cancer is actually found to usually be genetic and possibly caused more through stress of the body more than anything (that’s my guess). Anyway good cartoon. I liked the rabbit,
I’m a fiend for rabbits! Might I ask why you chose him, is there a significant reasonor do you justlike rabbits too? :P
Thanks for your comment (thanks everyone, really, the response this cartoon has gotten has been ridiculous).
As to why is Chuck a rabbit? Hard to say. They originated about 2 1/2 years ago as nameless little guys I used in a gag cartoon. Out of laziness I started using them again and again for other cartoons. After a while people started asking what their names were, so begrudgingly I named them Chuck and Beans, if only so I’d have an answer when people asked.
Now, 80 cartoons later, these formerly anonymous characters have become near and dear to me.
Shorter answer? Rabbits are fun to draw. :)
While I could care less about the organic/inorganic debate, reading these comments on a simple cartoon, I have come to the conclusion that the general public is incapable of effectively coming to ANY conclusions. Most discussions are just arguments ( this one for instance is incomparable toxicity vs. price). My point is:
before you rule out something because science says it is dangerous.
keep in mind the most dangerous substance on earth is
It is responsible for aging & rust
Fire can’t burn w/o oxygen( BTW= Magnesium creates oxygen while burning, hence it can’t be extinguished)
and yet we can’t LIVE w/o it
Above me is the most idiotic thing I have read today.
Who knew that the simplicity of this cool cartoon could generate so many comments!!
Hey, I am very against Non-Organic foods. Who cares if it feeds more people, you’re feeding them toxic food! It changes our DNA. You are what you eat and if you eat non-organic….. you ARE non-organic.
Maybe if people grew their own, or were more generous, or maybe didn’t eat fat foods.
Great comic by the way :P
I hope in the future most people aren’t deformed mutants.
Bunnies…very good post
@ Joe: Go to a starving family in Africa and say that to their faces.
BTW there’s a big difference between changing the plants genetics in order to make it yield more or make it more hardy and spraying it down with chemicals. If you’re against the “toxins” (vaguest scare word ever, btw) that’s fine but I am made to understand that organic food cannot be genetically modified and speaking out against something that we’ve been doing since the beginning of agriculture (look up what bananas used to be like) that could help feed literally millions of starving families around the world is just plain insulting, self-righteous and myopic.
How you choose to spend your money is your business but don’t you dare act like your doing dying families a favor by denying them a fundamental necessity of life.
To the folks who imply (or want me to infer) that organic = natural = safe = better. Please remember that heroin, tobacco, cocaine, marijuana, and ethanol (in no particular order) are also organic and natural. I do not, however, find them safe or better than other products.
tata for now.
BTW, funny cartoon (which I believe was the POINT).
Since when does organic food have less flavor? That’s absurd. You’ve just become accustomed to the food that, in return, is polluting our earth and dramatically decreasing biodiversity.
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By this point, I doubt my comment is high enough to be read at all, but I would like to get my say on this. I work on an organic herb farm, owned by my aunt. She does not sell through supermarkets or the such, but only deals with local restaurateurs and farmers markets. It’s true that some of what she sells is more expensive than what you would find commercially grown with chemicals, but she also barely pulls a profit due to the time, effort, and lower crop yields from her chosen methods. To be completely honest, I’m not completely on the bandwagon of non-organic toxins will kill you slowly, but it’s 100% true that the toxins used (specifically pesticides and herbicides) have a negative effect on the immediate surrounding environment, and people should take this into account when they buy. The best solution to the whole ordeal is to find local farmers, you’d be surprised what you can find in your area, and they don’t use scare tactics and massive overpricing to sell their products. Great comic too :D
I think you should revise your point of view :
People think that organic products are too expensive compared to non-organic.
But the comparison is wrong, non-organic is not the reference, organic is.
So in a strict sense, non-organic products is way too cheap compared to organic.
it’s too bad all those studies about organics not being any better than non organics keep coming up
“I think you should revise your point of view :
So in a strict sense, non-organic products is way too cheap compared to organic.”
Exactly!!! The price have food has not gone up at all in years and years like everything else and like it should be.So people think buying meat for $1.99/lb is normal. IT’S NOT! Organic meat for $7 is not expensive….it’s what we SHOULD be paying and the kind of meat we should be eating. I’d go without meat and dairy before I’d eat non organic (or local grass fed, etc.)
Same panel humor never gets old. As classic as coke ;D
*copy argument against organic* When it comes right down to it, there are more factors to quality of life; I don’t think it makes much sense to worry about the organic over non-organic when we still have problems with feeding everyone. Even if you’re eating organic food… you’re still kicking the “environment” in the face.
How? Those products have to be shipped, sometimes from very far away = huuuuge carbon footprint. Ah, lovely human selfishness.
I’ve had organic, where I’ve bought it from has been cheaper than usual, but only because it’s at a coop. I’m sorry, I’d rather make a whole pie with 3 apples rather 7.
And pie made with or without organic apples still isn’t the best thing for you. As long as you’re eating right and avoiding processed food with lots of additives your health will be better. <—- something there's actually been sufficient time to research ;D
ANYWAY, glad I stumbled on this cartoon. Bunnies ftw! <3
People always forget that GM foods have prevented starvation in a lot of countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
Come on guys, we put s**t on our fields whether its organic or not. its cheap, effective fertilizer!
Solution: Grow your own food. Return to the earth if it kills you.
first off loved the cartoon.
second on the of organic vs non organic, you really want to see whats going in to your food, watch Food inc. it will open your eyes.
should have read on the discussion of not on the of lol
Organic food should not have to be labled, when its just food!!! Thousands of years of farming this way and we get our priorities wrong…lets just have organic food unlabled in shops and have everything else with a nice fat ‘Grown with Chemicals’ label. Sound fair?
I’m expecting some will say no, but thats cool. Just an idea after all.
The main thing I feel is that farming with the aid of chemicals is not sustainable with an expenentialy growing population. It’s terrible for the soil, and when farmers in India are committing suicide because they can’t afford next seasons seeds and sprays then you have to wonder whether it’s right to support these agro- conglomerates.
If you feel you have no choice but to buy cheap food, then grow your own. Easier said than done mind if you live in the city. Mind you….Cuba managed =)
i like them all i think they are all great
@James on October 28th, 2010 3:24 pm
Do you actually know what you’re talking about?
“The organic product also has no flavor and will begin to grow mildew within minutes of the package being opened”- first comment
Yes. If food is real, it will go bad. Real food rots. So eat it quickly.
Sales in so-called green products have declined repidly of late.
High price and don’t really work as well…
Your progressive sermon was interesting.
Pssssst guys, it’s situational irony. Redundancy is a key factor here as well. I’d say it’s well used in a repeated satyrical context.
also, what if you used the same drawing but flipped the panel in a different way?
so true lol
Yea man I reckon so. Can’t say I’m qualified to advise on the subject, but my opinions are are only formed from what I’ve read and experienced.
Whats your take on all of this?
hhahaha, true on the surface, which makes it funny…
But not completely true in reason: the real cost of food by organic producers is not subsidized (by government tax payer money), and ppl producing the food are paid more fair and living wages, are not exploited, and are actually paying for the environmental damages and being responsible in land stewardship — that’s why it costs so much more, it’s what food costs in reality down the chain, instead of just the large corps making money from processing…from extracting resources from monoculture crops from conventional farming, and producing sub-par food products that is cheap and “tasty”, but low in nutritional value.
cheaper food on the market now means you are supporting the current food system that produces cheap grain at high costs to the environment and to the farmers crappy working conditions, and paying large corporations to continue to exploit resources in order to give you some empty calories – to their benefit, and to the detriment of your health.
You decide. Reclaim your choice as a consumer, there is a ton of information out there on both sides of the argument.
I love Ozark Natural Foods, our local Co-op. It’s not Wal-Mart cheap, and I’m a picky eater so there’s only a percentage of my food I can get there, but it’s always nice to replace what I can with organic stuff. Even little changes are good :)
It strikes me as odd that I have yet to hear someone who is qualified (say with a degree in biochemistry) say anything about organic being healthier. Sounds like the same ideoillogical crap the vegitarians spew forth. Hollow pretentious unsound Nonfactual hooey.
Way back in comment #2, I called Brian lazy for repeating one of his panels. When I wrote the comment, I got the joke and admired the comedy of the strip. I just made a joke at Brian’s expense.
I enjoy Chuck and Beans. Thanks for your effort. Not having created my own long running… well… anything, who am I to call anybody lazy.
Keep up the good work, Brian. I am still following Chuck and Beans.
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organic product always great yar no deadly thing :)i like it organi only
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